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Where there is no vision
- His text: where there is no vision, the people perish — and he presses the word vision past daydreaming: it is perceiving beyond the physical, seeing what God sees, not a picture of what we want.
- The older translation he cites sharpens it: without vision, people lose the vitality that makes them feel alive — God wants more than to make you feel something; he wants you to have substance, to actually be blessed, not just be happy.
- Two kinds of vision are set against each other from the start: a vision that comes from God, and a vision a man manufactures out of his own imagination.
Scriptures: Proverbs 29:18
Visions and dreams that come from God
- Brother Mooney's General Conference sermon, A Taste of Vinegar, opens the movement: your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your young men shall see visions — the outpouring itself puts vision inside the church.
- A God-given vision is not ours to manage: we don't own the rights to our own dreams, and the man who tries to own his dream ends up following the dream instead of following God.
Scriptures: Acts 2:17
Prophecy is also sung
- David and the captains of the host separate out the sons of Asaph, of Heman, and of Jaduthan, who should prophesy with harps — prophecy in the house of God was never only preached; it was also sung.
- The point he draws for the students: the music of the church carries vision, and the ones who lead it are prophesying whether they treat it that way or not.
Scriptures: 1 Chronicles 25:1-3
The tragedy of a people without vision
- In Samuel's childhood the word of the Lord was precious in those days; there was no open vision — a whole generation can sit in the house of God with no vision breaking through.
- Asa's days give the progression: for a long season Israel had been without the true God, and without a teaching priest, and without law — lose the vision and the teaching goes with it.
- The modern version is imagination dressed as vision: Rick Warren's line, my imagination influenced my aspirations, gets his answer — you got my in there; a vision built on my imagination will only ever be as big as me.
Scriptures: 1 Samuel 3:1; 2 Chronicles 15:3
Vision will cost you
- From Will Inboden's The Peacemaker he takes the Reagan years as the case study: a leader with a settled vision of the Soviet Union's end paid for it in misunderstanding and opposition long before the dissolution came.
- Mordecai's saying stands as the price tag of the moment: vision puts a person where refusal costs more than obedience.
- Enemies of vision are named in the telling: it draws unintentional enemies, the experts counsel coexistence with what is, and the settled policy is managing decline — losing as slowly as possible.
The triumph of godly vision
- The spies saw themselves as grasshoppers, and so they were in the sight of their enemies — a vision problem, not a size problem; the report a man believes about himself decides what he attempts.
- Against that stands the Lord's own promise of life in John 10:10: the vision God gives ends in life, not in perishing.
- The close returns to the Reagan dissolution as proof that a vision can outlast its critics, then lands on the Ramirez story — the same telling he gives in another of his chapel messages, kept here in its own form — and charges the students to receive a vision from God and refuse to trade it.
Scriptures: Numbers 13:33; John 10:10
Scripture index: Proverbs 29:18; Acts 2:17; 1 Chronicles 25:1-3; 1 Samuel 3:1; 2 Chronicles 15:3; Numbers 13:33; John 10:10.
Transcript
Every opportunity I have to share the word of the Lord with you. Thank you, Brother and Sister Turner, for the great job that you're doing, the work and the sacrifice, the long hours. I get to kick a lot of things down the hall to you, thank you very much. And would you give them a great big hand? Thank them. Of course, to my friend, my colleague now, my boss, Brother Gallion and Sister Gallion, we love them. I appreciate their leadership and to my pastor, Brother Carson and Sister Carson, we love them very much. He's always touching in, always trying to help me. And I appreciate so much his voice in my life. His permission to rest has been a gift to me. And his challenge to rest has been a gift to me. And I appreciate him very much for that, as well as all the wonderful things he shares
in terms of his heart and desire for revival in our times. Proverbs chapter 29, it's important, give honor to whom honor is due. Double honor to those that labor in the gospel. So you should say, yes, pay preachers, my God, pay them, hallelujah. But thank them. And sometimes that goes much, well, most of the time that goes much further than any financial renumeration or gift that you can give. A kind word, a thank you for the depth of their sacrifice means much. Amen. I'm feeling very comfortable. I got to hurry. Proverbs chapter 29, just one verse, verse 18, where there is no vision, the people perish. But he that keepeth the law, happy is he. Happy is he. I was thinking about a title and I always struggled with them. I could call this a conflict of visions. But maybe thank you, worship team, so much.
Maybe you framed this a little better in my heart. Maybe a vision for revival, a vision for revival. Would you pray one more time and ask the Lord to help us in our time together? Lord, we thank you for your spirit that makes all the difference. There is nothing we can do in and of our flesh that will bless. We're limited, God, we're weak, but you're strong, Lord. So we ask for your help today that you're anointing. Your blessing would be on us, God, as we never to share what you placed in our heart, God, in every, any inadequate way that we try, Lord. You know how to quicken things to the heart and mind. We count on that and trust in that most of all, Lord Jesus. We'll be careful to thank you for our time together, your nearness we've already felt. We give you thanks for all things in Jesus' name.
My turn for the mic to go out. Great job. Wow, way to scramble. Amen. That's ministry right there. I'm telling you more than you know, hallelujah. Conflict of visions. I was reading through some notes and I take notes in my Bible. I think it's interesting. I think you do yourself a disservice not to write in your Bible, but I had a note and it was just a statement by my bishop, my father and the Lord, brother Mooney. And he said to the world, it's a myth, but the great verification for the Christian is the baptism of the Holy Ghost. He says, for us, this settles the issue. We know that we know that we know it. If you know him, brother Turner, you can almost hear him say, we know. There's a there is something that comes from life in the spirit. And my my job is today, maybe to pray that the Lord would somehow
in the weak words that I will try to share with you today, that the Lord will somehow by his spirit open your eyes like the prophet of old, that this young man that's following me, that's in a complex situation, can look up to the hills and perhaps see a vision in the spirit that there are more that be with us, be with them. A conflict of visions, maybe a vision for revival would be better because I remember brother Mooney talking about that. He says every once in a while, you get to preach thematically. You get to preach exegetically. But there is another type of preaching that's harder. It's where God requires the minister to break off a piece of their heart and share it with them with the congregation. And I I find that that's mostly my challenge. Every time the Lord asked me to speak to you, wonderful students.
And so I come to share my heart today, which is much more difficult than just preaching as it were a exegetical sermon of some kind. When you look at this particular passage of scripture, I've been living with this for a while. Where there is no vision that people perish. There one thing you have to understand is that every one of us in this room, we all have visions and they're the silent shapers of our thoughts and the ultimate determiners of our destiny. That's why the Lord speaks to the prophet in the Old Testament. He said, write the vision and make it plain. I don't want my people to be without direction, to be visionless, to be in complex situation in which I've called them to be my people and somehow lack the direction from heaven that they need to operate with understanding in their times.
Write the vision, prophet, and make it plain. But Kilman, what is vision, that Hebrew word? I know sometimes we use it to, I'm not picking on anybody, brother Herbs, but every once in a while we'll use it to say, let's have a vision for building a new building. And I'm not against that and I'm not sure at some level that you couldn't apply that to that particular type of idea. But the Bible's being very particular here. The Hebrew word is hatson and it's vision and the ancient Hebrew lexicon has the definition right in my view. It's the ability to perceive, the ability to see beyond what is the physical in the present as a light piercing through the darkness. It's vision, a perception beyond the normal experiences of life. It's light metaphorically. It's vision from God. It's insight from God. It's the ability to lift your eyes a little higher
beyond the limits of what's human and see something from a heavenly perspective that will allow you to operate with faith and understanding in the present. It's vision from God. It's different than human ambition and those are in conflict constantly. You have to battle down the limited vision of your flesh to embrace the vision of heaven. So there is a conflict for visions and why should I get into that Brother Kilman? Because there is a vision for revival in your day. There is, listen, can we have another generation rise up to the moment and say, if God did it for other generations, he's not going to leave himself without a witness now. Vision, but it can't be human. I love that passage in Acts 2, 17. And my bishop, my father and the Lord, it was such a complex time for the Brown that I wrote the date down in my calendar.
I thought it was important. I felt like the Lord spoke to me some particular things when Brother Mooney was preaching a sermon at General Conference called A Taste of Vinegar. And I just wrote the date down and it was a short five years later, if you'll forgive me for this, that everything that my pastor was concerned about and trying to preach to the, not just the UPC, Brother Sergeant, but the wider movement, everything that he was concerned about came to pass. That wonderful prophet of the Lord, he would probably be nervous about that title. But you do understand that prophecy is mostly about preaching. Everything that he preached in that sermon came to pass. And one particular thing that he did is he went to Acts 2, verse 17. And this is where the conflict is in your ministry for the rest of your life.
He said, and it shall come to pass in the last day, say, if God, I will pour out of my spirit upon all flesh. That's what you need. You need to handle the issue of the spirit in your life. Are you going to be flesh directed? Are you going to be spirit directed? Is this all human ingenuity? Are you going to allow heaven to give you something beyond the capacity of your flesh to have revival? He said, and your sons and daughters shall prophesy. If you've got a problem with women preachers, I don't know what to do with that verse. That's extra. Turn to your neighbor and say, that's extra. And your young men shall see visions. And your old men shall dream dreams. I love what my bishop, my father, and the Lord said. He was being very plain there. He's saying it's not the revelation of man's will.
It's the revelation of God's will. You need to see visions from God. It doesn't need to be what you can concoct in your own little boardroom with your buddies that you, you forgive me, I'm just going to preach to you because somebody ought to say what you need to have revival. Somebody ought to equip you with a little vision beyond what you can dream up yourself with your own little structure. You need the vision from heaven. My bishop looked and he said, we don't even own the rights to our own dreams. Don't talk to me about dreaming my own dream. Don't limit me to the capacity of my own human imagination. Tell me there is a dream that can come from God. Tell me there is a vision that can come from on high. There's a challenge there in that short little proverbial statement, Hatsun, that revelation where there is no vision.
It's the revealed word of God, the will of God, the purpose of God for the time, and where there is no one that speaks the revelation of God's will. The writer of Proverbs, the wise man begins to say, it's what does that look like? It's explicitly when God does not speak by his spirit, so ministry is unable to guide others and you can't get to the revival that you need. Vision is informed, vision is believed, vision is argued, vision is presented, it's preached, it's taught, it's even sung. I'll prove it to you. What is a prophet anyway? 1 Corinthians chapter 25 verses 1 through 3, I'll let you look it up on your own time. The Lord is laying out that wonderful structure for the Old Testament people. And he says, moreover David and the captains of the hosts separated to the service of the sons of Asaph
and Heman and Jaduthan, and he said, those who should prophesy with harps. Well, that's an interesting vision of prophecy. I haven't heard, lifted up in the fivefold ministry argument yet. They're going to prophesy with harps and with sultries and symbols and the number of the workmen according to their service was, and it begins to name the three separations. And the Bible goes on to say, which prophesied according to the order of the king. And that means prophecy is also sung. And he says, not only who prophesied with the harps, verse three, to give thanks and to praise the Lord. You know what singing is? It's prophecy. It's proclaiming the word of the Lord in a different way. That's why we don't just sing any old thing. We're going to sing revival into people by singing about essentiality and holiness and separation. We're going to be on fire with the word of God,
whether it's in the pulpit or back here singing somewhere. I'll try to calm down and build. I just want to try to motivate you a little bit. Vision has consequences. It informs or misinforms. You can teach wrong and you can preach wrong and you can sing wrong, but you can also teach right and preach right and sing right. You can form things into people by that little song that the Lord gives out of your spirit that ultimately can sing victory into somebody. See, here's what you need to understand. We sing songs sometimes again and again and again and it can get redundant, Brother Brown. And we make fun of it a little bit, but every once in a while, you have to sing a song long enough to the lyrics becomes a vision from heaven and you see a pathway to victory in your life.
What does that mean, Brother Kilman? I love what one man, in particular, one of my heroes, Thomas Sowell says. He says, conflict of interest dominate the short run, but conflict of visions dominate history. It's a battle for the movement. It's a battle for your future. It's a battle for revival in your age. Will you be self-directed or will you be spirit-directed? What this beautiful little proverb does is, first of all, number one, turn to your neighbor and say number one. Number two, it reveals the tragedy of no vision. Bible paints that picture clear in first Samuel, chapter three, verse one, in the child Samuel ministered unto the Lord before Eli and the word of the Lord was precious in those days. There was no open vision. Also in the evil days of King Asa, and I thought, Brother Jay, she were going to get on my text.
Second Chronicles, chapter 15, verse three, Azariah, the son of Obed is prophesying, and the Bible says he went out to meet Asa and said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin, the Lord is with you while you be with him. You got to be on the side of God, or he will not be on your side. God doesn't embrace every type of preaching and teaching and singing. He doesn't embrace every vision of the future. He says, and if you seek him, he will be found of you. There is a revival. There is somebody, Brother Jay, where you have wave at me? Where you at, Rev? Wave at me real high. Somebody's going to have the revival, and it doesn't matter how you were raised. It doesn't matter what your granddaddy did, or your daddy did. You can choose to be Josiah in your day
and say, I don't care if they didn't want it. There is a vision of victory from God. There is a revival and a refreshing we can have from the Lord. He says, but if you forsake him, he will forsake you. And now how do you get to that place? Brother Sargeum, where the prophet of the Lord has to challenge the leadership, the king, and all of the princes of Israel, and speak to the two kingdoms and say, how does that happen? It's verse three. Now for a long season, Israel had been without the true God. How did that happen, Brother Kilman? And without a teaching priest. And as a result, and without the law. There's a progression disclosed in scripture here. They've been a long season without the true God and without a teaching priest and without the law. And becoming lawless, they become directionless,
directionless, and aimless, and visionless. So when I talk about vision today, I'm not talking about some human dream of success. I want to create a little discernment in you. Beware when people start talking about the dreams that dream your dream. Limit yourself to your own human capacity and ingenuity. I'm saying it again on purpose. Reject every lie that tells, that this tries to limit your ministry and the vision of what God is doing in your life. Just something that you can come up with yourself. So it's not a human dream of success. It's a prophetic vision that was a revelation from God. The writers saying without divine revelation, people abandoned themselves to sinful ways. And they don't just cast off restraint. They perish. There is a consequence to living lawless. It's destruction. That's what the Lord is trying to reveal. What a nation will do.
What a country can do. What a family can do. What a church will do. All of this depends on obedience to divine revelation. Point number two. This little proverb reveals the limits of human vision. And I won't spend a whole lot of time here today, but that's part of it. I'll quote to a very, I'll try to be nice about this. Brother Filer, you've heard me at Minnesota Camp talk about Bad Bobby. There's Bad Bobby in the side of me. He really wants out right now. I'm gonna try, I know you're clapping. Don't clap. It didn't help me. I don't want my rhetoric to overcome my point. But Bill Hybel said it this way. Proverbs 29.18 says where there is no vision, the people are unrestrained. It's not just unrestrained, Mr. Hybel's. They are destroyed. They perish because they're unrestrained. They can't focus, they can't reach their goal,
they can't follow their dream. That's their problem, they're following their dream. An older translation he says, says without a vision the people perish. There you go, get closer to the Hebrew. And he says, I've seen it with my own eyes. Without vision, people lose the vitality that makes them feel alive. God wants to do more than make you feel something. He wants you to have substance. He wants you to actually be blessed, not just be happy. Rick Warren said it this way. My imagination influenced my aspirations. That's the problem. You got my in there. See, we talk about casting down every imagination, Brother Herbs, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. But we forget that, yes, the origins can be in the demonic. There are doctrines of devils. But there's also your own little human brain that can get you deviated down some path
away from the blessing of God and the provision of God. But somebody's going to say, Lord, give me a vision for revival. God directs the efforts of my life so that I can lead a generation into the future that you've called us to. I got to lay them fast. My imagination influences my aspirations. Rick Warren says, in other words, your dreams determine your destiny. Well, maybe you could have a different destiny if you let somebody else be the origin of your dreams. Mr. Warren, to accomplish anything, you must first have a mission, a goal, a hope, a vision. That's true, but what's the source? And he says, after all, without a vision, the people perish. This is the conflict. You don't have the rights to your own dreams. They need to be birthed out of a prayer meeting more than a board meeting. They must be of the spirit, or we will be constantly limited.
I'm going to say it again, not because I'm being redundant, because I know I got to get this deep down into your heart because you're going to walk out of here and the Lord's going to trust you with the leadership. And Brother Jayce, the future generations are at stake. And I don't want my children to be visionless. I don't want them to be consumed with man's vision. I want a godly vision. I want to wait forward by the spirit of God. There is no creator, and there are no laws, and no constants, no reality, no rules. I guess you're okay. But if there is a creator, and there are laws of existence, and there is a reality, and you don't get to dictate the rules, who dictates your vision of life? Is it experiences that you have with God, or is it your own intellect?
Are there constants of existence that only the Creator can help you navigate? Or is the imaginations of men and the machinations of men enough what vision guides? You forgive me. I need to burden my heart a little bit, and burden my heart a little bit. But what vision guides your innovations? What visions guides the updates that you want to make to what the old-timers hand you? What parameters dictate your creativity to make sure that you don't creatively move yourself outside of the vision from God? What vision, you forgive me today. What vision constrains? What vision navigates the boundaries and by what authority do you decide? Brother Kilman, what do you mean? I love what, again, what wonderful writer said, Thomas Sowell, he said, we will do almost anything for our visions, except think about them. There is a reality, and I can't choose it.
I can't select it. I can try to deny reality, but it's going to end in chaos and disaster. Vision must be sure. Vision must be grounded. It must be soundly rooted in something that is everlastingly eternally settled by the hand of God. Vision must be his, not mine. But hear me today, hear my heart. Vision can be his and not mine. I don't have to be the most creative person. I just have to be the obedient person. I don't have to come up with all the ingenuity and all of the ways to get into the future. All I have to do is be willing to be obedient to the Lord Jesus Christ, and he will direct my path. Why? Because in all of my ways, I have acknowledged him. Point number three, how do you keep godly vision? It's interesting. I want to go ahead and give you a principle for ministry.
Vision will cost you. One man said it this way. Well, I have to be careful here, Brother Turner. If you get one step ahead, you're a leader. If you get two steps ahead, you're a rebel. A group thinks it's a terrible thing. Just go ahead and determine to say, I don't care what the current trends are, I'm going to stay right here in this book. How do you keep a godly vision? I'll try to ramp down. False closed number one. I love to read history, Brother Brown. You've given me another resource. Thank you very much up there. Just hand me another resource. There's a great new book out by Will Inboden on Ronald Reagan. It's an interesting book. Will Inboden is the executive director of the Clement Center for National Security. He's an associate professor of public affairs at the University of Texas. Deep thinker, involved in politics at levels
that he can't even, by the light, disclose some things. He's written a book on Ronald Reagan called The Peacemaker. And the subtitle is Ronald Reagan, The Cold War and the World on the Brink. Brink of War, Nuclear War. And I wish I had time to deal with everything I would love to say about that moment. What we were reflecting up there, Brother Saliba and Brother Turner, you were asking the question, why is it that we visit so many places in history? It's because moments define some things. Moments are defined by leadership. And I want to say this is a challenge. But if you're not willing to stand for this book in decisive moments, God will choose another leader. Why write another book on Ronald Reagan? Well, Inboden says, well, there's quite a few new documents have been declassified. And he was one of the first scholars,
Brother Sargent, to see, he says, a lot of the internal communication between the Reagan National Security Council in terms of their memos and transcripts of his meetings with the heads of state. And he said, basically, Ronald Reagan came into the presidency knowing that he would have to revision American foreign policy. And he said, why write a new book on this? It's he said, because in recent years, Ronald Reagan has kind of fallen out of vogue with younger generations. Because if you'll forgive me this, a liberal attacks against him because he was a conservative president in many ways. And someone that I, of course, aligned with in a lot of thinking. And he said, there was this false notion that had been circulating that, you know, the peaceful end of the Cold War was inevitable. And it was just kind of incidental. Ronald Reagan was lucky.
He just happened to be at the helm. No, no, revivals take decisive leadership. I'm going to say to you as carefully as I can, your life could be pivotal. As Mordecai had to remind one young lady in the throes of making the decision, do I do it or do I not? Do I take this stand? And he said, no, no, you don't know that you may have come to the kingdom for such a time as this. And they would say, well, it was Gorbachev, other structural reasons why it collapsed. It was outside of Reagan's control and that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union, the end of the Iron Curtain and the world being spared by nuclear destruction. And M. Bodin said, I wrote with basically a few different things to try to press on these young scholars that he said that I think are misunderstanding
at the time. The evidence is clear that we need to recapture the central role of leadership. Secondly, he says, not only the role of leadership but of courageous strategic vision. And then thirdly, he says of agency, of contingency and history, that presidents really can make a difference. I'm just going to say, preacher, I know you can't do anything in yourself, but if you let the Lord use your voice, as you stand up and declare the word of the Lord, a young man, young lady, God can use your voice to pivotally push your generation into the moments they need. Every generation needs a leader. What separated Reagan apart? What you understood the moment? The crisis, the climate of American politics had such a low vision of America, they had no way forward to see victory. How did that happen? He said, well, it was basically the experts,
the establishment politicians, those trained like some Cambridge historians said, you know, Russia is a political fact. It's always going to exist. It's just the reality and Reagan is naive and he refuses to see this. And some people in his own party, Brother Filer, it was interesting, took it as their sworn duty to make sure he never got in the White House. The greatest presidents in the history of the United States in my view. And why? Because they thought, well, he's going to create a destabilization because he's not interested in coexistence. Are you interested in coexistence? Or can you see a vision of reality in your church where you ready, all the, you forgive me, the GLBTQ is not him flooding your church. Can you have such a vision of reality that when they stumble out of this chaotic society into your church, there's enough vision there to say,
no, no, we can get you out of any type of lifestyle. I have a vision from God. The victory and revival I see is unlimited by the social construct of this world. We got more than this culture can offer this generation. But it's going to take conventional leadership. You're going to have to really believe you can sing and teach and preach something on the inside of him that will pull them out of the cultures of this world. So what are you saying, Brother Kilman? I hate to tell you this, but this is Bible college. Brother Filer, I think we ought to tell them. Vision will give you unintentional enemies. I wish I could say that every apostolic in the church that you pastor is going to back your decision to preach holiness. I know that only happens in Indiana. It doesn't happen in Minnesota. Doesn't happen right about there in Oregon or any place.
No, the human condition. You're going to bump into all sorts of issues. Well, if you preach it too strong, we're going to run people off everywhere I'm called. They give me the opportunity to preach. And I'm asked to teach and preach on holiness. And again, it has very little to do with me. It has something to do with the vision that God can give you of the gift of holiness and what it can do in the lives of young people separating them from the corruption of the world through us. How many of you know there's a picture we can have in God? Don't you buy the vision of people and say we can't have revival and still keep holiness and separation. It is the way to have revival. Conflict where you should have had support. I, you know, I'm heaps rather be... I know Babylon's bad,
Brother Jay, should talk about it. It's bad. But I'd heaps rather be Daniel in Babylon with the good figs and have to be Jeremiah where a bunch of people don't want to hear the word of God. Where he's set up by the priesthood and his own family tries to kill him. Vision will cost you. Some preacher ought to look you in the eye and tell you you're going to have to pay a price to see the vision of revival that God wants for your time. You're going to feel lonely at times, Jeremiah. They may throw you in a pit and forget about you and say he's going to die, but I'm going to tell you you just keep the vision that the Lord gave you. You keep declaring the word of the Lord. You keep being faithful and God can... It's okay for the prophet to die in Egypt.
Why, Brother Herbs? Because there is a reality of a future. There is a promise from God. There's a Messiah going to step on the scene through the faithful remnant and you're going to have revival too. I got to land this thing. Lord have mercy. Well, he, you know, Reagan said wild things. I mean Truman and Eisenhower by the turn of the day, it was bad, but Reagan is the first president I can find. Perhaps you gentlemen can help me find some of the notes. I really... By the way, I respect these men up here. You need to talk with them. They know a lot about history and life. And well, I studied history, Brother Kilman, because the patterns of anthropology never change. But maybe you can help me see it. But I think, Brother Sliva, that Reagan was the first one to call it evil.
You know what the job of a priest is? To make a difference between the holy and the profane. That's right. You have to say some things are evil. Because drinking doesn't bless people's lives. Fornication doesn't... Pornography, all of the ills of this world. Don't, don't, don't pick up guilt and shame from your past brother. Brother Carson already did with that, dealt with that this first chapel of the year. I'm just going to tell you, sin does not bless. Get a vision and say, I don't... It's evil. We're against some things. We're not interested in co-existing with sin. Please be seated. We live in complex times. And I have to be careful how I say this. I'm not just trying to preach rhetoric, but I think in very controversial times, like today, like Reagan, many partisan people on sides of issues, he steps on the scene.
Sister House, he elicits strong reactions. Why? Because you're in complex times. And I think people say they want to profit until they have one. People say they believe in prophecy until a preacher with a vision from God stands up to speak about the complexities of the time and it goes against their carnality. And I think we shift back to saying things like, well, I'm not a prophet or the son of a prophet and I belong to a nonprofit organization because we want somebody to come up and command some blessings on us, but we don't want a preacher to preach the word that we need to hear. You know what you need? You need some song into you. You need something called into you. You need something preached into you that'll get you into the revival that you need. I really am closing, I hope, in Jesus' name.
How did this happen? It was a controlling vision, brother Turner. It was called the framework of detente. It was the idea that leadership should reduce tension, reduce the tension of coexisting because the USA is losing. And we should try to lose, brother Filer, as slowly as possible. That's not my vision of the church. We shouldn't try to buckle down the hatches and lose as slowly as possible. I can't disclose today, but if you knew who was sitting in North American Youth Congress, if you knew stories that I could tell you of people who looked like they walked away for a little while, now they're in really odd places if they don't buy the vision of it's okay to hate away. Thank you, James Wilson. I don't know that you'll ever see this, but thank you, James Wilson, for being one preacher to have the courage to say,
you know what we need? We need a vision. We need a vision, a word for the time. So young people can know how to be the type of overcomer that God wants them to be. Not just hyped up, but equipped for revival in their day with a vision from God about how to be the people of God in their time. Let's manage the decline. The Soviets are advancing and like numbers 1333, and there we saw the giants, those 10 unbelieving boys said, the sons of Aenak, which come of the giants, and we were in our own side as grasshoppers because we saw ourselves that way. Our vision was limited, and so we were in their sight. What does that mean, Brother Kilman? How did Ronald Reagan see differently? There's an interesting, I was listening to something on the way here because I'm a nerd, I know I'm a nerd.
I've embraced my inner nerd, John, it's fine. But you need to understand that you're going to have to read some to understand your times. And I was listening to a thinker and he said it's interesting in American times right now because the machine that's operating our culture in terms of social media and the disclaiming of information and the controlling of information, he said the machine is more powerful than our vision of democracy. So if you're not careful, you can get caught up in a machinery. That can become more powerful than your vision for revival. How did Ronald Reagan not fall into that trap? Because when the CIA assessments from 1987 to 1988 said these expert sovietologists, these Cambridge boys, they said well look, the Soviet economy is stable and durable and its economy is growing sufficiently and Russia's not going away for generations and when Reagan was confronted
by that expertise, Brother Feiler, he didn't buy it. Now there's a question, how? It's because when he would talk to people that came out from underneath communism, he created his own network of information. He would meet with people that came out from underneath communism and when they would flee and immigrate to the United States, he would talk to them, Sister Turner, about what was it like to live under communism? They say we hate our government because it lies to us constantly. It says, Uncle Bill, you were there? There's enough bread and it's like we don't even have enough supplies for our people. They constantly lie. Everything looks good on paper and that's the problem. All the experts at Cambridge are reading the papers produced by the propaganda machine. Brother Kilman, what did he do? He listened to first person testimonies of talking about standing for hours in line.
Talking about people that were in East Berlin being yanked off the street by the Stasi. And as he, as observing, he was in an office at that time by the brown, but he looks up and he was on the wall and he's looking over the wall into East Berlin and he sees the Stasi yank a guy off the street and pull him into a little conference room. Now ultimately he don't know what happened to him. But at the end of the day, he said this wall is as evil as the view behind it. It's as evil as the power behind it. Why? Because you're going to build a wall to keep your people in. Now we can talk about the value of a wall to keep people out that don't love you. But I'll leave that alone. I'll leave politics alone. But when you create walls to lock people
into the system of bondage, something's fundamentally wrong and it affected Reagan. He said it goes against basic human nature. And what does that mean? It goes against, there are some things that are against nature. When you can't even know if you're a male or a female, when you have to do GLBTQ and all sorts, there are some things against nature. When you start talking to people about transgender regret surgery and you see the brokenness in their life, you can say that's against nature. It's against the fundamental rule of existence and God is saying there's a different vision of reality. Somebody, would you come and put pressure on me? Thank you sir. Play beautifully by the way today. It gave him a different vision. Why? He listened to personal testimony. And some of you are finding this out. How many of you freshmen have started the Bible study
and you realize there's really a lot of hungry people? You said to me, why haven't I been doing this my whole life? It's okay. Now you got a vision. Because when you teach Bible studies and you see the brokenness and you see that will set you free from all of the lies in the culture saying the church is over. You can't have revival if you preach a sensuality. The baptism of the Holy Ghost is the only thing that will change their lives. That's the last point today. The triumph of godly vision. Revival. Not ours. It is. What does that look like, Brother Kilman? I know I'm an odd duck. But I'm over in Ohio where the Eric Edwards had me over to talk to his hyphen. I love Eric Edwards, a great alumnus, great guy. I'm talking to his hyphen group. And you know me,
how many of you have ever recommended a book to you? Some people golf. I like books. And I golf too, Brother. Father, just not that well. I'm the comic really. I just started talking to them about the complexities of their time showing them that the strongest arguments for holiness. Young people, where's it at today? Feminism. So wild. I hope you get at least as much vision as feminism. I hope you don't leave it to Jean Kilvore to make the argument that young women shouldn't be manipulated around the ideas of image. And so I'm talking to them and I'm throwing books at them and books at them. And then when we go out and after the session, the Herbs, we walk out on the back. We're on a cabin there in Ohio. It's beautiful. And they start talking to me and asking questions again. It's like the after session session.
It was awesome. I loved it. And I just start. I said, well, there's another book, but I hate to quit. I can't, I hate to keep suggesting books. And one of the young men stopped me. He said, I'm on a college campus right now, Brother Kilman. And if those books can equip me to talk the way you're talking, I want them all. Young people, listen, I know they struggle with reading, but they don't struggle with vision. And if you can show them, reading is attached to vision, they will go all in. You don't believe that your generation is uninterested, that they're only entertainment junkies. I rebuke that lie in the name of Jesus. There is a, there is a waiting army of young people waiting on your voice to give them clear vision and clear direction for the revival God has. Last time I'm closing,
would you stand with me? That'll make me stop. April of 1982, Reagan chairs a national security council meeting with his team. And this is what he says. All right. I want to put together and implement my strategy to confront the Soviet Union. Her sleeve is, wow, that's vision, man. That's vision with work clothes on. Doesn't do you any good to get work clothes on if you don't have vision? And then, and so what happens? One of his top aides, Tom Reed starts the meeting by saying, all right, gentlemen, I've talked to the president and we believe that the next 10 years are going to be decisive in the Cold War. Now that's a different vision. They don't see themselves as a decline. They see that they really believe in American ideals that basically people resist tyranny. Perhaps sister didn't, they're created in the image of God.
He says we believe that the next 10 years are going to be decisive in the Cold War. It's going to fundamentally change and we are here to encourage the dissolution. Come on, read that again. We are here to encourage the dissolution. You really should be Hillsworth's nightmare because your ministry is there to encourage the dissolution of abuse and addiction and manipulation in people's lives. We're here to help encourage the dissolving of the Soviet empire. 10 years. That was April of 1982. They're off by three months because it's December of 1991, nine years and nine months later, the Soviet Union. Here's what I'm trying to say to you. Do not embrace a vision of defeatism. Do not embrace a vision of decline. There is a sovereign over all of history and he's brought you to this moment for this time. We need to say I'm here to encourage the dissolution
of sin and destruction. I know what the enemies come to do. John 10, 10. I know what he's come to do. But Jesus said I am come that you might have life and that's what I'm going to represent. Brother Kilman, what will happen if I dare choose to embrace the godly vision and let that be my true northen ministry and just preach and teach with abandon, obeying the Lord and embracing this book and just seeing what God will do? I will tell you what will happen. You'll be like Christian Ramirez, one of our alumnus, Brother Filer in Minnesota, when a little girl walks up to him at the end of camp and says, Brother Ramirez, I want to start a peace event on my school campus. How can I do that? And I'm watching him. He's trying to say, you come see me later. We're going to talk about that.
And then as she walks away and I'm not trying to break any confidences, he said, Brother Kilman, that young girl tried to commit suicide a year ago. You don't know what God's going to do in your ministry. I promise you, they are looking for voices. They are looking for vision. They will kill themselves on lies, but they will embrace the truth and God will change their lives and you are called to be that voice. Look at your hands with me, would you? Someone, someone's going to pastor. Somebody's going to start a church. Somebody's going to be the type of teacher and preacher and minister. It's going to sing vision and preach vision and teach vision. Somebody's going to have revival and it might as well be you. His word will not return void. You get a vision of what he wants to do. His word will not return void.
Come on, you need to get in here and say, I'll rebuke every lie of the enemy trying to rob me of my future. I refuse to let my past or any issue in the present stop me from doing what God has called me to do. Come on, that's it. That's it. Give me a vision, God. Give me a vision. Rebuke every lie in my mind. Rebuke every lie from the culture. Rebuke every lie from the enemy trying to rob me of my future.
Scripture references as spoken: Proverbs 29:18; Acts 2:17; 1 Chronicles 25:1-3; 1 Samuel 3:1; 2 Chronicles 15:3; Numbers 13:33; John 10:10.